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18 September 2009 @ 01:38 pm
Supernatural 5x02  
I hate to love this one.

    There are no demons and war is a guy.

  • Where to start? I loved the plot and the general us-against-the-world feel to it. And as much as it breaks my heart, I love to hate to see the brothers fall apart. But first things first.

  • Maybe I'll give him a back rub.

    It's amazing how easygoing and caring the interaction between Bobby and the boys has become. When it comes to chemistry, it's just a joy to watch. As for Bobby, poor guy's screwed. But he was wearing his hat again, so I'm good spirits he'll walk out of that hospital when the time comes.

  • I'm gonna find God.

    That's one hell of a mission, Cas. Good luck with that. Also, your carving skills border on art. ♥

  • You'd better put me into speed dial, kid.

    Guest star wise, this episode rocked. Ellen, Jo, and Rufus. I could get used to seeing them more often. Especially Ellen. It's one of the well written believable female figures in this show.

    Also, hunter against hunter equals great fight scenes. That Rufus-vs.-Dean fight on that porch was nicely acted, shot and cut. Kudos.

  • Could we at least do this like professionals?

    I do get that Dean's pissed and disappointed, I really do. But that fierce look full of condemnation he gave Sam after asking him whether he'd actually learned his lesson about killed me. It's so unlike Dean and made me wonder if that's still the disappointment talking or whether he meant to lash out. And maybe he's got the right to do so, (to hurt Sam in return) but I doubt it's going to get them anywhere. I miss the Dean that cared and put his brother first. And it's not just the looks and the cold shoulder, it's in everything he does, too.

    Pre-apocalyptic Dean would have stormed off to find his brother the second he realized Sam was taken. But now he just suppresses his instinct to do so and stays to plot a counterstrike? It's not that he goes for the strategical option, because it obviously is the grown-up responsible thing to do (though when have they before when it came to their family?). No, it's the emotions all over his face when he's at that safe room door. Like he's weighing in his mind if Sam's still worth saving, and found him not to be a priority. And that thought right there makes me want to bawl.

  • Maybe it's best we just go our separate ways.

    Boys, you're breaking my heart. Your brother with a demon blood addiction tells you that he's scared of himself, admits to his problem; tells you he doesn't want to be a liability and put you and others in danger and you tell him right? Seriously? When what he actually asks you for is support and help in the face of the apocalypse and you let him walk away?

    And Sam just walks away? Just like that? And would Dean really worry less when Sam's not around? What is wrong with them?

    Looks to me like neither of them has learned his lesson. Last time I checked, going their separate ways led to the end of the world. What makes either of them think this time will be any different? They're both hard-headed idjits, that's what.

    Bobby better walk again and kick both their asses. Cause this? This is doomed to end bad.

  • Take care of yourself, Dean.

    As much as I'd liked to hate them both for their pride and anger, I can't because they both have their right reasons. If only they'd stop hurting each other when what they intend to do is to protect. Oh boys.


Can't wait for next week.
 
 
 
astri13astri13 on September 18th, 2009 12:41 pm (UTC)
Last time I checked, going their separate ways led to the end of the world.

I think it was the exact opposite in fact. Dean broke the first seal because he was in hell and he was only there because he couldn't let nature run its course, let go in a healthy way and pathetically sold his soul. Sam broke the last seal because he completely and utterly trusted Ruby's words in the end. And he did that because he couldn't let it go in a healthy way and pathetically fell under a she-demon's thrall. Peas in a pod. :D

Of course they get that fucknuttery from both their parents but I think, and I'm overjoyed here, I see them beating their genetic odds and become better for it. And once they are stronger individually, they can become stronger.

I think Sam needs to find stength in himself now, that is the absolute key. If he stayed with Dean, he would attach himself too heavily and develop himself back under that guise. He would become what took Dean 4 years to slightly overcome, the guy who defined himself through others/family and not in the least bit as his own person. And maybe if they stayed together, Dean would revert back into that eventually and in the end they would both be more messy than they started.

So personally, I'm heartened by their first ever separation talked out maturely and muttually agreed upon instead of a) after a fight, b) forced by outside occurences like death/demon-napping or c) one party sneaking away. So proud of them *wipes single tear for fictional characters* *g*
ヴェレーナ: SN [we're stronger as a family]ongiara on September 18th, 2009 12:50 pm (UTC)
I'm heartened by their first ever separation talked out maturely and muttually agreed upon instead of a) after a fight, b) forced by outside occurences like death/demon-napping or c) one party sneaking away.
Less heartened about the separation than about the fact that they did talk about it. I think not talking was one of the things that let them drift apart further during season 4.

Also, I do agree with what you say about hell and breaking the seal and doing that because they couldn't let go of the other. Which is exactly what I meant, too. Maybe I haven't used the right words, but what I mean with 'going their separate way' is simply the both of them being apart. And when did Dean sell his soul for Sam? When they were parted by death. When did Dean break the first seal? When he was alone in Hell. When did Sam break the last seal? When he was alone with Ruby. Yeah. The two not being together usually ends bad.
astri13astri13 on September 18th, 2009 01:07 pm (UTC)
I think not talking was one of the things that let them drift apart further during season 4.

I also think that neither one was remotely qualified to help the other there. Trauma victims counseling trauma victims is like the blind and deaf leading the deaf and blind. I would have perscribed two teams of trained professionals having a go at either. :D

Yeah. The two not being together usually ends bad.

But I think the reason for that, for messing up so incredibly badly when they are physically separated is that they had either never really learned (Dean) or forgotten (Sam) how to handle being their own person.

If they learn that, they will be twice as strong to me because each is strong in their own right and both of them will be even stronger togehter. Yet when their only strength comes from the fact that they are together, they are vulnerable and easy to defeat.

Of course I also don't think their separation will go beyond one, maybe one and a half episodes.

Maybe we are spoiled with this show? *g* Because I can't imagine a single other show where it actually bothered me when my "pairing" wasn't together for a short while. Not even on something like the X-Files.

ヴェレーナongiara on September 18th, 2009 01:16 pm (UTC)
The hunter community evidently lacks the needed psychological personnel. *nods*

they had either never really learned (Dean) or forgotten (Sam) how to handle being their own person.
Interesting thought. I'd like to know how long Dean may have hunted on his own while Sam was at Stanford, though. Of course, even if Dean was on his own for a reasonable amount of time, it doesn't neccessarily mean he tried to diverge from the lifestyle and values John pushed onto him, but it would be interesting to know.

You do have a very good point here, and sure am looking forward to their reunion but I still don't really like it. But maybe that's what means growing up for a hunter. Going their own way for a while.
gaoun_conscience on September 18th, 2009 01:07 pm (UTC)
I think it was the exact opposite in fact. Dean broke the first seal because he was in hell and he was only there because he couldn't let nature run its course, let go in a healthy way and pathetically sold his soul. Sam broke the last seal because he completely and utterly trusted Ruby's words in the end. And he did that because he couldn't let it go in a healthy way and pathetically fell under a she-demon's thrall. Peas in a pod.

YES! People forget that Sam fell in with Ruby because Dean chose to sell his soul force Sam to live without him, when he, Dean, couldn't do that.
astri13astri13 on September 18th, 2009 01:08 pm (UTC)
To be fair, I don't blame Dean for that one bit. It was a Sam-choice. Just as I don't blame anybody else, namely John, for Dean's deal. They were factors but I don't hold them responsible. I'm strictly a everyone carries their own mistakes completely person.
Jennifer: Alona Taldaydreamer1984 on September 18th, 2009 12:58 pm (UTC)
I totally squeed when I saw Samantha Ferris and Alona Tal in the opening credits!! I want more of them too!
ヴェレーナ: jessongiara on September 18th, 2009 01:18 pm (UTC)
Personally, I'm not much of a fan of Jo's character. (Though I adore Alona something fierce) I'd really love to see Ellen more, though. Seeing a known face now and again certainly adds to the dynamics.
bloemche: Malikbloemche on September 18th, 2009 01:25 pm (UTC)
I really liked todays ep - Cas calling on the mobile? AWESOME
And I thought the same about Bobby & his hat ;P

Biggest question: Who was the guy picking up Sam the very second he decided to "leave" Dean?!

I can´t wait to see where this decision will lead the boys (and us)
ヴェレーナ: Sam [be the wall]ongiara on September 19th, 2009 08:18 am (UTC)
Who was the guy picking up Sam the very second he decided to "leave" Dean?!
I'd say he was just some random guy vacationing if the camper and boat where anything to go by. And some just hitched a ride with him.

Can't wait to see what will come of this either :D
halo on; reversed.: but this instead;dev_earl on September 18th, 2009 03:45 pm (UTC)
Pre-apocalyptic Dean would have stormed off to find his brother the second he realized Sam was taken.

I think that's what he'd learned after everything that went down. Like he said to Sam, he's always more worried about Sam than doing the right thing. And it's proven to be trouble because he made the deal with the crossroad demon without a second thought, because he didn't want to let his brother go. When in fact it was probably the right thing to do. The moment he hesitated at the door and turned back? That was the turning point, I think. He'd learned to be more rational. No more shoot first, ask question later.

I think it hurts him just as much (maybe even more) as Sam to not be trusting his brother fully. :((
ヴェレーナ: sd toothbruschongiara on September 19th, 2009 08:22 am (UTC)
No more shoot first, ask question later.
Maybe, it's just really hard to wrap my head around that new Dean. I do get that he's matured and acting more cautious is the better way to deal with this, it's just that I'd always loved that unconditional, madlike quiddity about him when anything used to threaten his family. I sort of miss that.
clubinthesky on September 18th, 2009 08:31 pm (UTC)
point 4 - It's one of the well written believable female figures in this show. Ellen is such a strong female character, hats off to the writers for keeping a strong female presence. Meg i also found to be a very believable and well-played demon, one of the strongest, on the show. Such a shame they let Nicky go.

point 5 - I agree with this so much, I miss the Dean that cared and put his brother first. And it's not just the looks and the cold shoulder, it's in everything he does, too. I just hope Dean bounces back to the Dean we know and love best before everything changed. He's been hurt so much man, they shouldn't get too hard on him it would be difficult to get the old Dean back. ever. *dun duunn*

When what he actually asks you for is support and help in the face of the apocalypse and you let him walk away? Same question i went to bed with and dreamt about. THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO SPLIT.

Bobby better walk again and kick both their asses. Cause this? This is doomed to end bad. ehe seriously, God, also get Bobby a pair of shoes while you're at it.

*bites nails* i don't know, Kripke, fix them. Or Sera, yes, i'm looking at you.
ヴェレーナ: sam torturedongiara on September 19th, 2009 08:30 am (UTC)
Such a shame they let Nicky go.
I concur. They probably didn't want to overdo her as an villain, but I'm sad Nicki went, too. Seeing her return for a brief moment but played by another actress just wasn't the same.

He's been hurt so much man, they shouldn't get too hard on him
No, but neither should Dean on Sam. It's kind of like Dean blames it all on Sam and forgets that he himself played his part in breaking the first seal... But then maybe that anger also is directed at himself though it doesn't really come off like that *shrugs*

Haha, Bobby was great. Tell him to send legs. ♥

Kripke, fix them. Or Sera, yes, i'm looking at you.
What you said.
Charli: bad boy Sammrscutedean on September 18th, 2009 11:40 pm (UTC)
I miss the Dean that cared and put his brother first. And it's not just the looks and the cold shoulder, it's in everything he does, too.

Pre-apocalyptic Dean would have stormed off to find his brother the second he realized Sam was taken. But now he just suppresses his instinct to do so and stays to plot a counterstrike?

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DUDE I had the EXACT same reaction at my lj. I MISS that Dean sooooo bad. I want him back.
ヴェレーナ: sd goodbyeongiara on September 19th, 2009 08:36 am (UTC)
Yes. I received several comments alerting me to the fact that Dean's matured and that it's the grown-up thing he did in waiting BUT that does not change the fact that I miss the old Dean. One of the things I'd always loved about his character was the shoot-first-ask-questions-later attitude and how protective and mad he'd get the moment Sam was in danger. Where did that fierce big brother go?
Sarah!: [SPN] Angel repellantkillmotion on September 19th, 2009 12:21 am (UTC)
How is it, Verena, you always make a COHERENT post afterwards? I'm just like *flail*.

My picspam is up. :D
ヴェレーナ: dean nice shotongiara on September 19th, 2009 08:37 am (UTC)
Haha, the level of coherence remains debatable, but thanks :D

Yay, picspam and quotage. Will browse over in a sec and enjoy the eye candy.
Beckyewanspotter on September 19th, 2009 05:32 am (UTC)
No, it's the emotions all over his face when he's at that safe room door. Like he's weighing in his mind if Sam's still worth saving, and found him not to be a priority.

I don't think that's the case at all. Of course Sam is a priority to him, even after everything. He's pissed as hell, but he still loves Sam. Given the particular situation, it would have been just as wrong to walk out of that room. If he walked out of there and something happened to him, those people were as good as dead. (Ellen is there, yes. But he knows she is not, at the end of the day, even close to as experienced as he is.) It's a lesser of two evils situation. He is being strategic, and it kills him to do so.
ヴェレーナ: SCC [burn with me]ongiara on September 19th, 2009 08:42 am (UTC)
He is being strategic, and it kills him to do so.
Most likely that's it. It still is a very new development for his character. He used to be shoot-first-ask-questions-later especially when it came to Sam and as much as he's matured in that respect now, it still hurts to see that old, mad-like protective Dean go. However irrational and naive that sounds ;P

Still, I can't help but wonder if under other circumstances (read: if Sam hadn't let him down), Dean's decision may have been a different one, too.
Beckyewanspotter on September 19th, 2009 09:28 pm (UTC)
But that shoot-questions-first Dean was usually just him, putting himself on the line to do something reckless to save Sam. I think, to REALLY make it clear Dean had a decision to make, that's why they put the pregnant woman in there.

Still, I can't help but wonder if under other circumstances (read: if Sam hadn't let him down), Dean's decision may have been a different one, too.

I don't think so. At least, I'd like to really hope that wouldn't be the case. Even if they were on good terms, I can still see Dean having to weigh that decision. Go after his brother, who might already be dead (but if he's not, is pretty good about taking care of himself), or stay and help the dozen civilians have a chance at saving themselves.
ヴェレーナ: sd 114 I got youongiara on September 20th, 2009 08:21 am (UTC)
to REALLY make it clear Dean had a decision to make, that's why they put the pregnant woman in there.
Probably. It certainly shows a huge difference between the Dean that didn't want to sacrifice one woman in exchange for the lives of more people in Jus in Bello and losing them all in the end. Still, this new attitude of his takes some getting used to.